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Today I had skype interview for a job as PHP developer, one of the questions asked was about Cookies and PHP Sessions.

The question was, can PHP session be set and read, used, if Cookies are disabled in users Browser?

I told them not, beacuse PHP Sessions by default depends on setting a session cookie. When PHP session starts, new session Cookie is set with default name PHPSESSID, and that cookie holds value of that session id, for example: ftu63d8al491s5gatuobj39gk7 Then on apache server in tmp folder file sess_ftu63d8al491s5gatuobj39gk7 is created and it holds content of that session, for example: test1|s:12:"SessionTest1";test2|s:12:"SessionTest2";

They told me that's not true, and that you can use PHP Sessions even if user disables cookies in his browser.

Then I told them that you can do that, but then session id would be passed through URL as GET variable. And that's not secure and you must set it up in php.ini.

They were talking how you can use PHP Sessions even if Cookies are disabled in browser. And what if we are building web shop, and some granny uses our web shop and disables cookies and she joust don't care. And that PHP Sessions are great because you can use them even if user disables Cookies. I was like wtf, wtf wtf?!?!

I made test with two files, index.php starts session and sets session variables. And then session.php tries to read that session variables.

This is how it looks:

index.php

<p>This is where I start and set php sessions.</p>

<?php

    session_start();
    $_SESSION['test1'] = "SessionTest1";
    $_SESSION['test2'] = "SessionTest2";

?>

<p>This is a link, that starts new HTTP Request, and tries to read session set on this page:</p>
<p><a href="session.php">Read Session</a></p>

session.php

<?php

    session_start();
    var_export($_SESSION);

?>

<p><a href="index.php">Back</a></p>

Now, if you enable cookies in your browser, visit index.php, and the visit session.php , session would be printed out.

But, if you clear your browser history and cookies, and then visit index.php, and then visit session.php, you would see empty array right?

So basically my question is, am I right? Can you use PHP sessions if you disable cookies in your browser? And do PHP Session mechanism by default, depends on setting a session COOKIE?

Update: I was going mad about this, so I called back the guy I was talking with. And asked him, can PHP session work without cookies by default? The guy said "yes". Then I told him he is wrong and he said: "yes, yes, if you say so..." and start laughing. Then I told him, ok if PHP session can work without setting cookie, how would server know current user/browser session id, if its not stored in a session cookie? (I wanted to see if he knows that session id can be passed as GET variable) And he was quiet for at least 20s, and told me that he is a System Administrator, and that I should ask that the Developer guy. And that he is 43 years old and has huge experience of 13 years in the bussines (he started with 30? wtf?), but he trusts me on this one. And I explained him how Session work and that you can use it without Cookie but then session id is passed as GET variable, and told him I told them that on interview, but they ware telling me no, no no... :S

So basically, the guy didn't have a clue about PHP and PHP Sessions, and yes he was the one that asked me about sessions telling me that PHP Session can work without cookie, even when I told him it cant be done, and that there is a way to use PHP Sessions without cookies but it won't work by default. He was like, no no no... At the end he told me that he was thinking that sessions can work without cookies because he, as System Admin on his servers, can never see sessions in tmp folder?!?!?

Anyway, those guys suck at PHP, there is no way I will accept job offer from them, and after all this I dont think they will offer me a job anyway...

Thanks for all the comments!

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    No, it doesn't. How do you store state without cookies? Sep 24, 2012 at 20:10
  • No as "no you are not right!", or no as "no you cant set session with disabled cookies"? :D
    – Limeni
    Sep 24, 2012 at 20:11
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    you can use sessions with out cookies, the session id then is passed in the url instead of a cookie
    – user557846
    Sep 24, 2012 at 20:11
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    Security issue is if you copy your URL to a friend, then he has your session ID and can act as you. You cant do that with cookie, by accident!
    – Limeni
    Sep 24, 2012 at 20:21
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    Risk is no different with a cookie. The person sitting at the computer after you leave has your cookies. Sep 24, 2012 at 20:23

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"A visitor accessing your web site is assigned a unique id, the so-called session id. This is either stored in a cookie on the user side or is propagated in the URL. "

Sessions: Introduction

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If session.use_cookies = 1 (Cookie enabled.)

If session.use_cookies = 0 (Cookie disabled.)

If session.use_cookies = 1 then session stores the sessionId into cookie. Calling session_id() get the stored sessionId from cookie and saved data into session array will be found on all the pages. If session.use_cookies = 0 In this case session does not store sessionId into cookie and you will get each time a new sessionId using session_id() and data stored into session on other pages will not be found on another pages.

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Yes session will work when cookies is disabled. But first apache check php configuration settings. Like:

   --enable-trans-sid
and
   --enable-track-vars

if these value are set true the session will passed by POST automatically.

If "--enable-trans-sid" and "--enable-track-vars" values are set to FALSE, we need to pass session id by using the SID constant.

< a href="index.php?<?= SID ?>" >Navigate from here< /a >

Need to set php.ini

ini_set("session.use_cookies", 0);
ini_set("session.use_trans_sid", 1);
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    i searched --enable-trans-sid and --enable-track-vars but didn't found neither in php.ini nor in http.conf
    – dev_khan
    Jul 2, 2015 at 12:18
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So basically my question is, am I right?

Mostly. In the real world: YES.

Can you use PHP sessions if you disable cookies in your browser?

You CAN use PHP sessions without cookies, as long as the browser identity is obtained somehow and yields a unique value (and this value is passed to the PHP session layer):

  • session ID in GET (which is the "standard" PHP way if cookies are not allowed, and the "other" way you described). This value is then propagated automatically by PHP, e.g. added to all A HREF's and so on. Where it is not propagated because the automagical link recognition failed (e.g. complex URL built in Javascript), it is your responsibility to provide accordingly.

Or - and here we're not in Kansas anymore:

  • passed among the nonces with Auth Digest (this is a dirty trick, and of course requires that the whole site is behind an Auth-Digest access authentication scheme. And you can no longer use a "dummy auth" (i.e. http://welcome:[email protected] ) because some browsers, e.g. Internet Explorer, do not support them anymore for security reasons)
  • recognizing the browser some other way ("fingerprinting") (this is normally(1) suicidal)
  • Use LSO (Local Shared Objects) to generate a random UUID if it's not there already, and store it so that it can be retrieved on subsequent accesses.
  • other ways ( see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evercookie )

(1) if you were in a LAN where you can trust the IPs, you could associate a "session" to the user IP. You might enforce a strict "no cookies" policy in a small firm and still have user sessions without resorting to _GET/_POST for your session ID.

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You are right, Session cannot work without cookies. To illustrate this try doing the following actions.

  1. Login To Gmail.
  2. After login disabled the cookies.
  3. Refresh the page.

You will be redirected to the login page again as the server cannot identify the session.

  1. Now again enable the cookies.
  2. Refresh the page. (Note: Don't click on login button).
  3. You will be automatically redirected to the Gmail inbox.

Hence, we can say without cookies session will not work.

Also, If you are trying to login into the gmail( taking as example you can take any website) with diabled cookies then it will message as "Your browser has cookies disabled. Make sure your cookies are enabled and try again."

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    you have cookies or not? system couldnt understand your intentions. your example is this. But for the systems like gmail people count on more secure methods. Without cookies session tracking possible and many other methods exists like session.use_cookies = 0 (Cookie disabled.)
    – nerkn
    Nov 20, 2018 at 19:42
  • You are right, session tracking without cookies is possible if we do some modification in php ini file like session.use_trans_sid set to 1. Nov 23, 2018 at 6:11
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If it was me, I would say "Yes"

Since you could store session in form / url somewhere to passed to next page (very bad idea). So, based on his question "can PHP session be set and read, used, if Cookies are disabled in users Browser?"

Then, it should be yes. It can read and used.

However, If user close browser, then it's gone, and that's it. (since that guy didn't ask about this part)

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Yes.. It will Work
1.PHP will pass one GET parameter in URL with the name PHPSESSID but it can be changed session.name in php.ini file.
2. It add one hidden input in forms with same name.

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You will need to put the session ID in the URL. You will need to make a change in your php.ini file so if you are on a shared host you will need to contact them to see what they will do for you.

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// tell the PHP we want to use cookies from the session

 ini_set('session.use_cookies', '0');
 ini_set('session.use_only_cookies', '0');
 ini_set('session.use_trans_sid','1');
 session_start();

// then pass the session ID in the URL(inspect, navigate the network refresh the page you will see in the headers your session ID)

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