I have tried to understand the difference between Lisp-1 and Lisp-2 and how this relates to Clojure but I still do not understand properly. Can anyone enlighten me?
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You might like to read this paper by Richard Gabriel. It is a summary of the issues that the Lisp community were discussing in Lisp1 vs Lisp2. It's a bit dense and slow moving in the first few sections, but is much easier to read by the time you get past section 5.
Basically, Lisp1 has a single environment that maps symbols to values, and those values can be either "regular" or functions. Lisp2 has (at least) two namespaces (symbols have a slot for their a function value and one for a regular value). So, in Lisp2, you can have a function named foo and a value named foo, whereas in Lisp1, the name foo can refer only to a single value (function or otherwise).
There are several tradeoffs and differences of taste between the two, but read the paper for the details. Christian Queinnec's book, "Lisp in Small Pieces" also has discussion of the differences woven through the text.
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7One of the more enigmatic sections of the Gabriel paper, is section 11 on Multiprocessing. In that section, he implies that Lisp1 is more conducive to a functional style of programming, hence more conducive to multiprocessing. Obviously, this is of interest wrt Clojure. But I'm not really sure why Lisp1 is more conducive to FP. Anyone have insight into this? Jan 2, 2011 at 18:16
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47probably because the major point of FP is to treat functions as first class values, hence it's much more convenient and conceptually cleaner to treat them in the same way as all other values– mikeraJan 2, 2011 at 19:08
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15@PeterMcLain When users of Lisp-1 dialects say tht Lisp-1 is more conductive to functional programming, what they mean is that you don't have to stuff the code full of
funcall
andfunction
operators. These disappear in a Lisp-1.– KazMar 10, 2014 at 1:03 -
4An example what happens when a Schemer tries to write Lisp: emacs.stackexchange.com/q/28979/2787– cevingNov 29, 2016 at 8:32
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6I just like that the paper uses the term "perspicuously" with the wonderfully ironic meaning "easier to understand".– BaseZenOct 25, 2018 at 13:58
According to wikipedia:
Whether a separate namespace for functions is an advantage is a source of contention in the Lisp community. It is usually referred to as the Lisp-1 vs. Lisp-2 debate. Lisp-1 refers to Scheme's model and Lisp-2 refers to Common Lisp's model.
It's basically about whether variables and functions can have the same name without clashing. Clojure is a Lisp-1 meaning that it does not allow the same name to be used for a function and a variable simultaneously.
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11Isn't a Lisp-2 more confusing having functions and variables with the same names then?– yazz.comJan 2, 2011 at 15:43
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44Part of the reason why is that programmers using Lisp-2 dialects do not go out of their way to have functions and variables having the same names.
list
is often used as a function parameter and nobody things, OMG that is so confusing since(list ...)
is a standard function. Many functions that havelist
as a variable don't use thelist
function, or don't use it near that variable. Even when that does happen it's not too bad:(list foo list)
. This isn't any more confusing than a sentence like "fight the good fight" where the same word appears as a noun and verb.– KazMar 10, 2014 at 1:19 -
7@Zubair Java has even more name spaces. You can define a class, a method and a variable with the same name.– cevingFeb 10, 2017 at 14:02
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32As a mnemonic, I think of Lisp 1s as having 1 namespace, and Lisp 2s having 2 namespaces (one for functions and one for variables). Nov 14, 2017 at 22:56
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8@NickMcCurdy As a mnemonic, I think of a bicycle as having two wheels, and tricycle having three.– KazDec 3, 2019 at 19:12
In a Lisp-1 a symbol can only have 1 value. In a Lisp-2 a symbol can have two values which are 1) the value when the symbol is interpreted as a function and 2) when the symbol is interpreted as a value.
Down in the implementation in a Lisp-1 the structure that contains the value associated with a symbol has just one slot for a pointer to the data and type. In a Lisp-2 there are two pointers, one the function value, the other the variable value.
In Common Lisp, a Lisp-2, you can call (symbol-function ‘a) (symbol-value ‘a) to get the function and value separately. If ‘a is defined as the add function and (setq a 3)then (a a a 1) would return 7.
In a lisp 1 you couldn’t do that because a could only be one thing, and the context does not change the meaning.
In Common Lisp #’ is an abbreviation for symbol-function. (setf (symbol-function ‘a) #’+ ) would set a to be the function sum.
If you wanted, you could create a function a that would set a to the value last returned by a call to a, perhaps if a was expensive to compute.
In a Lisp-2 if you assigned a function to a symbol then to call that function you use the funcall operator.
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when copying and pasting into lisp, take care with the quotes in the examples. Looks likd the single quotes don't copy correctly on my Mac. Just edit the quotes to single quotes when trying the examples.– kd4ttcOct 18 at 4:14