The answer here gives a handwaving reference to cases where you'd want __ne__ to return something other than just the logical inverse of __eq__, but I can't imagine any such case. Any examples?
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SQLAlchemy is a great example. For the uninitiated, SQLAlchemy is a ORM and uses Python expression to generate SQL statements. In a expression such as
meta.Session.query(model.Theme).filter(model.Theme.id == model.Vote.post_id)
the model.Theme.id == model.VoteWarn.post_id does not return a boolean, but a object that eventually produces a SQL query like WHERE theme.id = vote.post_id. The inverse would produce something like WHERE theme.id <> vote.post_id so both methods need to be defined.
Some libraries do fancy things and don't return a bool from these operations. For example, with numpy:
>>> import numpy as np
>>> np.array([1,2,5,4,3,4,5,4,4])==4
array([False, False, False, True, False, True, False, True, True], dtype=bool)
>>> np.array([1,2,5,4,3,4,5,4,4])!=4
array([ True, True, True, False, True, False, True, False, False], dtype=bool)
When you compare an array to a single value or another array you get back an array of bools of the results of comparing the corresponding elements. You couldn't do this if x!=y was simply equivalent to not (x==y).
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1I can't follow that. Considering that
notis defined on an array of bools in the obvious way, we still don't needneqinstead ofnot equals. But clearly there's a performance and possible memory advantage there.– VooFeb 26, 2012 at 18:12 -
7While a good argument could be made for a
__not__special method to override thenotoperator, this does not currently exist in Python.– WeebleFeb 26, 2012 at 18:50 -
1Oh that's surprising.. yeah in that case it's not only a matter of performance. Thanks!– VooFeb 26, 2012 at 19:07
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@Weeble Unary invert (
__invert__) works:~np.array([True, False])->array([False, True]). Though I'm not sure if it was the same back in 2012.– wjandreaAug 4, 2020 at 3:58
More generally, in many valued logic systems, equals and not equals are not necessarily exact inverses of each other.
The obvious example is SQL where True == True, False == False and Null != Null. Although I don't know if there are any specific Python examples I can imagine it being implemented in places.
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1And in MYSQL, you can even have values that are
NULLandNOT NULLat the same time!!!1! (I consider that a design bug of MySQL though) Feb 26, 2012 at 20:31
>and<=there are such cases. NamelyNaN < anything => falseandNaN >= anything => false. (Assuming python follows IEEE floating point logic)NaNit holds at least in python:NaN != NaN => True,NaN == NaN => False.equals(__eq__) may not return aBooleantype and thatnot equals(__ne__) may not be the opposite of equals... defies all intuition. -- I accept it as the Python way. I guess it has its benefits as explained by the answers. Yet, for newcomers to the language, this is eerie.